means "even X": after a person or a group, it says that X
is no exception to what follows, usually a limit or a failing.
means "even supposing": after a clause in the plain form,
or a noun, it grants a possibility and says it would change little. Both lead
to a negative or dismissive conclusion.
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Even for an expert, this problem isn't easy to solve.
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Even the president doesn't necessarily grasp every employee's opinion.
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Even supposing our salary goes up, it would be a few thousand yen at most.
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Even supposing he comes, nothing would change.
The conclusion is often , or a plain
negative. Both forms belong to essays, editorials and argument. In
conversation, and say the same thing.
にしたところで or としたところで
にしたところで picks out who: the noun is a person or a group, and the point
is that they are in the same position as everyone else. としたところで picks
out what: the clause is a supposition, often opened with or
.
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Even parents don't understand everything their children feel.
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Even supposing we left now, we wouldn't make the meeting.
たところで
The plain follows the た-form of any verb and means "even if
you do": it is a separate point. にしたところで and としたところで are that
pattern built on , with the noun or clause marked by に or と.
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Even if we hurry now, we won't make it in time.